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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 23, 2011 9:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

Today marks the birth of tenor saxophone giant
John Coltrane, a man whose influence would forever
change the world of Jazz.

http://www.jazzonthetube.com/page/643.html

- Lester Perkins
Jazz on the Tube

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Sep 23, 2011 6:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

What a great resource! Do you subscribe to that list, BD? Any problems with spam or too many emails from it? My kid likes jazz, but we don't have too many resources here in terms of basic learning and music listening other than random YouTube surfing, and this looks like a neat way to just find out more every day.

Rastomon, I love your reaction. Very genuine. Maybe someone else with better recall will correct this, but I think it was Coltrane who initially infuriated Phil when he first heard what he was doing in the late 50s or so. He writes in his book that he just didn't feel it was the right way to play, and only "got it" later. That was earlier, but it must have sounded shocking at the time. Sometimes it's hard to hear older envelope-pushing music with fresh ears now, cuz we're so used to either hearing it or hearing how great and important it is ... but if you're really hearing it fresh, you might not like it at all! (And not everything is to everyone's taste, which of course is totally legit, too.)

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 24, 2011 6:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

Thelonious Monk Quartet's set from the same 7/2/66 Newport Jazz Festival is very good. A first time listen for me. It's also at LL

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 24, 2011 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

No spam - just a daily link to a great clip.

Here's today's:

Live footage of Miles Davis
and John Coltrane,
from April 1959,
performing "So What."

From Miles Davis' classic album,
"Kind Of Blue."

http://www.jazzonthetube.com/page/211.html

- Lester Perkins
Jazz on the Tube

They mix it up w/ many different artists/styles.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 24, 2011 1:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

Did not know today was his Bday, but I guess I should, considering that he's one of my favorite musicians of all time. His version My Favorite Things is a masterpiece! And don't even get me started on Giant Steps or Blue Train :)


"Citing jazz pillar John Coltrane as one of his main personal artistic heroes, Lesh tells us, "'The Coltrane Quartet and the long jams they would do in one chord was a defining factor for us because it was a demonstration that this could be done. There's so much room inside this one chord. It's only one chord and you can never ever get to the bottom of it. Believe me, that was a major influence on us.'" - Phil Lesh: Operating Principles

This post was modified by clementinescaboose on 2011-09-24 08:07:37

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 23, 2011 10:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

Happy BDAY indeed. The greatest Jazz musician of all time IMO. What would Phil have sounded like had there been no Coltrane?

love this song!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpX517F8H24&;feature=related

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Poster: Hal R Date: Sep 23, 2011 10:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

Just Phil? How about the whole band!

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Sep 23, 2011 11:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

For my ear there is no more beautiful sound than the rich tone of John Coltrane's tenor saxophone,a true master of his art.

Duke and Trane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR13ECD71xU

quartet plus Dolphy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wuaquaMmGA

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 23, 2011 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

very nice. i love this as well, from the quartet:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibURCPx4Iug&;feature=related

impressions is such a masterpiece

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 23, 2011 12:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

I need to hear some GOOD Coltrane! I'd torrented this show at LL John Coltrane-1966-07-02-Newport Jazz Festival the first song is "My favorite things" It's like severe dental pain, worse than any Phil & Ned I've ever heard. Am I flawed in my appreciation of Jazz??

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 23, 2011 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

Does the Greensleeves I posted above do anything for you? It's very structured for Coltrane. You shouldn't need to be well-versed in jazz to appreciate it. There's so many types of Jazz. Perhaps free form just isn't your thing.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 23, 2011 7:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

I'll check it out. I enjoyed the movie Bird,
If you heard "My Favorite Things" from the above mentioned show, you'd agree it's really a lot of screeching, no melody or harmonies - check it out, I think it has seeders. It's in "Jazz Sunday" at LL. Phil & Ned friends would like it...different strokes you know

http://shnflac.net/details.php?id=d23bbdc90df7380b2215320f2f728a7906898644

This post was modified by rastamon on 2011-09-24 02:24:39

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Sep 24, 2011 10:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

have to agree. doesn't sound very nice on the ears at first. it does get better though.

the earlier versions of my favorite things are much more compelling from what i've heard

This post was modified by rdenirojb87 on 2011-09-24 17:50:58

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 24, 2011 10:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

the other two tracks are very good, I'm enjoying them now. I think John had to vent, his Favorite Thing was to wail out all his angst. In fact, this sounds now sounds real good!

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Poster: dooglar Date: Sep 23, 2011 1:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

wow

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Poster: rastamon Date: Sep 23, 2011 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

whats worse, the whole crowd erupts into applause at the end

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 23, 2011 10:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

Phil devotes a healthy section of his book on Trane. Worth the read.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Sep 24, 2011 1:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Happy Birthday - non-dead (but what an influence)

Seconded. I love Miles, but there's just no one like 'Trane...

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